Hey everyone, with Black and White 2 having gone gold, I decided to compile everything we've found about Dimitri. Lionhead's next (assuming it's not scrapped) big title, of course following FableTLC, The Movies, and BnW2. We've heard rumors all over the place, but here's my shot at the first unofficial knowledge base on the possible upcoming title. Some of the first news ever to be reported on this title was found here, back in 2001: http://pc.ign.com/articles/095/095065p1.html stating:

May 19, 2001 - When we met with Peter Molyneux today to view the incredible Xbox game coming out of Lionhead Sudios' satellite Big Blue Box Studios,[Fable i believe--Giff] he let the code name of their next internal project for the PC slip: Project Dimitri

The next news came awhile later, promising a screenshot of the title to be released sometime in the next year. http://pc.ign.com/articles/369/369526p1.html

August 29, 2002 - At last year's E3, we learned about a little Lionhead project codenamed Dimitri... While chatting with head-Lionhead Peter Molyneux at this year's ECTS, he told us that one -- and only one -- screenshot of Project Dimitri would be released next March.

But what is Dimitri, anyway? Even Wikipedia doesn't know, saying

Lionhead proper is working on two games, The Movies (a sims-like game based upon the premise of running your own Movie Studio) and Dimitri, a simulation game of some sort (about which Lionhead is being unusually tight-lipped).

Perhaps some of the answers can come from the depths of Lionhead.com itself. A search for Dimitri brings up the rumors about its state of the art Artifical Intelligence, such as

Black & White has won a number of awards for the best AI in any computer game, including US PC Gamer Award 2001-2002. It has been nominated for Guinness Book of Records for best AI in any game. And what's more, the AI in Project Dimitri will be, our analysts have estimated, approximately 8 times better.

as well as

Is this AI for Dimitri or for the Black & White series of games as well? We are hoping to use it in future projects as well. The beauty is that it is a transportable system.

according to Planetlionhead.com

Dimitri is the code name for the newest Lionhead project. It is a top secret project and Lionhead has published very little about it. Some of the current rumors can be found here. Dimitri is, at the moment, the largest Lionhead project. 30 people of the Lionhead team have been working on it since the end of 1999. The name of the project originates in the name of Peter Molyneux' godchild. Dimitri contains some sexual scenes. In Dimitri the AI focuses on simulation of social processes and behaviors of people. Dimitri is being developed for the PC It was said in an interview with Lionhead AI Programmer, Richard Evans, that there would be social groups. Dimitri will not be done for, at maximum, another five years (Aprox. 2007).

as if to back this up, Answers.com has news from PeterM on Dimitri, as recently as 2005.

However, during an interview with Computer and Video Games, on April 6th, 2005, Peter Molyneux revealed that "[Dimitri is] a game about (pause for dramatic drum roll) ...you. It allows anyone who plays the game to relive their life, their entire individual life. That's a pretty ambitious concept." While our [C&VG's] jaw dropped to the floor, Lionhead PR hastily intervened with the effect of a virtual gagging order.

However, the best way to hear about Dimitri is from PeterM himself, in this Video Interview from August, 04. The news on Dimitri comes about 1/3 through the video, and though Peter is very tight lipped about the game he calls it

Lionhead's flagship techknowlogy game..and also it's simplest

Interestingly, though, is this report from BBC news reported in 2002, confirming the rumors I had heard before but not found evidence for.

Dimitri is set in a small town and the computer-controlled characters are given more realism by establishing a common set of social rules defining what is acceptable or unacceptable in given situations.

To sum up, all of this is what little is known about Dimitri. Hopefully the title has not been scrapped, and therefore this thread is not irrelevent. However, since there is obviously no Dimitri forum, i figured OT was the only forum it would fit into appropriately. Hopefully it won't immediately sink to the bottom like most threads on this forum do on a daily basis, since it took well around an hour to compile and write all this up Lastly, the largest compellation of screenshots/concept art can be found today at http://lionsource.planet-multiplayer.de/dimitri/pictures/artworks/index.html -Giffdud

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Be Careful Giffdud. If they think you know too much, men in black suits will soon cart you away to an undisclosed location... Seriously, though, Peter is a real tease. Put him in front of press, and he can hardly help himself. Always dropping tantalizing tidbits about one of his brain-children. And it works, damn him. Got me hooked first with B&W, and then the prospect of Fable (though my interest was more reserved...) and the Movies. I have been more than curious about Dimitri too. It sounds, from the information available, like some sort of 'life-sim'. Something like Dimitri : Sims as Nisan Z@ : Dodge Neon.

The name of the project originates in the name of Peter Molyneux' godchild. Dimitri contains some sexual scenes.

Somehow, it sound quite wrong to state these two facts in the same breath. Finally, on you for putting all this together. I applaud your efforts.

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Nice collection of info, but the thought of possible sexual scenes in the game would be the perfect excuse for Jack Thompson to continue raving on.

 Quoting: Darksabre

Nice collection of info, but the thought of possible sexual scenes in the game would be the perfect excuse for Jack Thompson to continue raving on.

What the hey - Fahrenheit had a sex scene or two. For some reason there's been no big fuss... yet. Dimitri's been short on info for a while; the name's only an in-house codename AFAIK; and we've got ourselves in a tizzy before by speculating about LH's in-house concepts. I think when the game that emerges from this idea we call 'Dimitri' finally comes out, it'll only bear a tangential relationship to whatever we might know now.

heh there years to late, thats been donne already

Well it's good to finally have all the information compiled into one thread Tis better than seeing a million three-word sentences about it in a million threads...

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Nice research. I originally thought that Dimitri was a fighting game and had something do with ninjas.

 Quoting: Darksabre

Nice collection of info, but the thought of possible sexual scenes in the game would be the perfect excuse for Jack Thompson to continue raving on.

Jack Thompson can go ***** himself. If he can't acknowledge the new world media, then I think he's being too conservative, too stuck up. If you want to stop progress, then you'll have to jump in front of a moving train. One that won't just stop for one pathetic stubborn idiot. Anyway, about Dimitri: I think actually that they are just making an engine for their later games. More advanced the movies, better AI in B&W3/4/5/... (they said they were going to 8 , Ron Millar owned that up to us somwhere). I think that they will be able to use it to hoard some great funds from for games later on. If it will be as good as it has been said to, then everyone will want to use it!

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 Quoting: JimboJones

Nice research. I originally thought that Dimitri was a fighting game and had something do with ninjas.

you're thinking of Rag Doll Kung Fu I think.

 Quoting: crosbie

Dimitri's been short on info for a while; the name's only an in-house codename AFAIK; and we've got ourselves in a tizzy before by speculating about LH's in-house concepts. I think when the game that emerges from this idea we call 'Dimitri' finally comes out, it'll only bear a tangential relationship to whatever we might know now.

Yes, and to be honest I hope that this information is horribly outdated when more official news of Dimitri comes out, but until then I've seen many people asking about it and not many with the right knowledge, so I made this thread of what we do know.

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 Quoting: Crosbie

What the hey - Fahrenheit had a sex scene or two. For some reason there's been no big fuss... yet.

That's because the sex scenes were removed from the U.S. version of Fahrenheit.

WOWEEE! I hope there will be a 360 release of that!

I would have made a guide on B.C too...but it's been cancelled

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Was it officially cancelled then? I thought they just sort of stopped working on it, rather than slamming the door shut to the possability of future work.

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This thread needs something substantial. Thus Dimitri concept art: These are all from Kareem Ettouney's web site (here). He is an artist for Lionhead. There is also concept art from other Lionhead games like Fable and BC. Dimitri is not cancelled. The PR silence is due to the hype nightmare that was Fable. I imagine we will hear about it after Black and White 2 and The Movies are out the door. And due to the power of next gen consoles versus the power of a PC in 2007, a console version seems to be a sure thing.

when he said cancelled i think he was referring to BC, which, if I am to be correct, was "indefinitely postponed" which basically translates to cancelled.

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bc lookd ahsome why did they kill it. =(

irc://irc.quakenet.org/dimitri - The official Dimitri channel.

irc://irc.quakenet.org/dimitri - The official Dimitri channel.

The Official Dimitri channel.

That link doesn't work ... ...for me anyways ...

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I'm pretty certain that BC wasn't cancelled.

what is BC?

I'm not giving the game the glory it deserves, but in a nutshell its a really really advanced prehistoric life sim, with action and such as well (I believe I think I'm partially wrong). And this thread was a while ago, please pay attention to the date of the last post geodo . But, your right i think I heard something about BC and the x-box 360 or something like that.

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 Quoting: plecebo

what is BC?

Well, there are usually ways of finding this stuff out, such as using the search function. As some people may be either A) too lazy to use the search function or even B) ignorant of it. Look here BC info (sort of)

I knew there was a thread, i usually use the search function, but I really am not super into BC and all that so I jsut decided to state my reason and leave it at that, not too helpful but I didn't feel like going out of my way for that, thanks though Ylluf .

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